Crystal Kung-Minkoff seems to believe Lisa Rinna was behind the leaked information about Kathy Hilton‘s alleged meltdown in Aspen, which occurred off-camera amid production on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season 12.

During a couple of recent interviews, Crystal, 40, doubled down on her plastic surgery diss aimed at co-star Dorit Kemsley, 47, suspected Lisa shared behind-the-scenes details about Kathy’s supposed “psychotic break” with the press, and admitted season 13 was “totally different” without Lisa, who announced her departure in January.

“I’m going to be just really honest. It was very different, and I didn’t know Rinna’s impact on me until she was not there,” Crystal admitted on the November 17 episode of Scheanigans, via Just Jared. “That being said, I mean, I think Rinna’s been obviously an incredible housewife. I mean, well, I used to watch it. She was iconic to me.”

Looking back on the claims Lisa made against Kathy, 64, including her supposed threat to “destroy” sister Kyle Richards, 54, and her family, Crystal suggested that Lisa was behind the leaks about Kathy as no storylines were being leaked to the press anymore following Lisa’s exit.

“That being said, like with the whole leaking of the press and stuff, I think it’s pretty obvious, because there’s no press being leaked about our season now,” Crystal said, signaling to Lisa’s absence from RHOBH season 13. “Again, it was my second year and I still felt like a novice to the whole thing, so I’m like, well maybe this is how this show works. Maybe this is how toxic it is. Maybe this is what people do.”

According to Crystal, she didn’t understand why Lisa, or anyone else, would leak information to the press ahead of the season’s premiere.

“I was like, why do they do that? Don’t they want the show to play out? I just didn’t understand it, but now, it’s far more clear to me because there’s nothing out [about this season]. But why? I’ll never know,” she noted.

Also during the podcast, host Scheana Shay, 38, asked Crystal if she agreed with Kathy naming Lisa as “the biggest bully in Hollywood.”

“I wouldn’t. But I don’t know everyone in Hollywood,” Crystal replied. “I would say like, maybe on the show. I can pretty much say that, but in Hollywood, I don’t know. [There’s] a lot of people in Hollywood. I think there’s a lot of mean people in Hollywood.”

Meanwhile, during another interview, Crystal was asked about the shade she threw at Dorit.

As RHOBH fans will recall, Crystal suggested Dorit hadn’t “seen a real body part in 10 years” after Dorit said she didn’t expect to hear Crystal declare that her nipples are “perfect” during a racy game amid their girls’ trip to Las Vegas.

“I think it’s funny. I stand by it,” Crystal told Us Weekly on November 8. “I loved it. I think it’s hysterical. Dorit’s the one person who’s always saying, ‘Come on Crystal, I know you’re shady. Go for it.’ I don’t think she wanted it at her expense.”

Prior to Crystal’s diss, Dorit was shaded by former castmate Lisa Vanderpump, 63, who suggested in 2021 that she didn’t recognize her at an event in Los Angeles due to the work she had done.

“Ignore her? I just didn’t recognize her lol,” Vanderpump wrote on X, Twitter at that time, along with a side-by-side photo of Dorit in high school and now.